NCI: The Code of Reality

NCI The Code of Reality

Speaker1: [00:00:00] Welcome to the next edition of Non-Consensus Investing. The very special guest, the very special topic. His name is Danny Goler, and he's gonna share his thesis on the code of reality. So this is a, it is gonna be an unusual podcast. Most of my podcasts are on investment themes. This podcast is really going back to like philosophy and metaphysics and what is there really, and why are we here?

I was introduced to Danny via a mutual friend and client Kevin, who actually was on this podcast about a year ago for a Thanksgiving show. And Danny's really interesting 'cause he is has tried really novel experiments with psychedelics, and he's gonna share those experiences with us.

This is for entertainment purposes. You should seek medical advice, you should talk to your doctor. Disclaimer, disclaimer, I personally have never [00:01:00] done LSDI haven't had these experiences, but I'm incredibly intellectually curious about that. Just, I think if you're interested in understanding what reality is, and truth is, you gotta talk to people that have had some novel experiences and can share and report back, and maybe we can learn from them.

There are people like Mike Tyson. That have gone on the Joe Rogan show and they've done five M-E-O-D-M-T and the frog medicine. When you listen to these experiences, your eyes peel back in your head and you're like what is going on? I do think there's a lot more to reality than people think.

I think dreams are evidence of that. But with that said, Danny why don't you introduce yourself? 

Speaker2: So first of all, thank you so much for having me Ram appreciate the invite. And yeah, I guess we can look at this framing it in the theme of your podcast. We can look at it as investing in our own future through a deeper understanding of the world.

I, my name is Danny Goler and I've came to become known as the guy who [00:02:00] claims that he discovered that there's a way to see some kind of a self-executing code if you combine DMT and defracted lasers. And I guess it's also, we were just laughing the other day with one of the physicists that works with us now why the news spread like wildfire in such a way.

I said, it's really funny 'cause it's very memorable. DMT lasers it's basically to spread it out as a meme. 

Speaker1: Very memorable. 

Speaker2: Very memorable. And and. And by the way, I don't believe in coincidences. I think it's it's an interesting, Ooh, shiny and I think that's like how it gets your attention.

But the truth is that this is just stating that is just obviously just the beginning of the conversation. 'cause there's so much there. And the short version of my story is that I was always interested in the big questions. I was on a semi trajectory to become a scientist when I was way younger.

That was my grandfather was a physicist. That's what I always wanted to do. And I started like [00:03:00] on my trajectory towards physics pretty early on. I was 12 and I entered this special program where you kinda do, in addition to school, you also do some classes in your university. And then by the time you, you graduate high school, you already have your bachelor's.

It's like this accelerated program. And then I took different turns in life. I was a pretty wild kid. I had a lot of interesting choices that I made in life. And I and exited that, that route. But but the interest in science and in scientific thinking and just really the wonder about what the world really is never left me.

And I think to a large degree, I can't know because I'm not in other people's minds. But my sense is, especially because, yeah, this is like some of the characters that people draw when they see the experiment. And we'll talk about the experiment in a moment. My experience from talking to a lot of people at this point, I think this wonder is with all of us is just it's either beaten out of us or it just becomes so non pragmatic that [00:04:00] why even bother?

Aside from maybe a conversation here and there about something that happened in science, most people don't really partake in these kind of questions anymore as they grow older. But yeah. And then I, I also happened to have been a person who really enjoyed psychedelics in my life.

They helped me quite a bit in many ways. And I started noticing things in the psychedelic space as many people have. That seems to be difficult to explain in terms of, oh, this is just a hallucination. They didn't really feel like hallucinations. And of course that's not saying much because you can be convinced of a lot of things if you're partaking in certain substances.

But I've done them long enough to reali to build some kind of a map between the different domains. And then one day I've had an experience that was so outside of the regular map that I was familiar with, [00:05:00] and it was as real as you are sitting in front of me right now. Now I understand that you are a virtual projection, ironically, on the screen right now.

But I, with everything that I understand about the world, I know you're a real person. So is there a chance that this is some kind of a, some kind of a plot and somebody made me believe that you invited me to a podcast, but this is actually ai. Yeah. That possibility exists, but it's so minuscule that it's not worth considering a serious, at least in this situation.

'cause why would they do that? There's a, the reason I'm saying this is because there's a lot of parameters happening in our thinking that are always in the background, and they hold a lot of water in terms of what we believe about the world. So the fact that I know that you're, you really, who you said you are and and you invited me to this spot, all of these things, they're happening in the background.

There's a lot of base assumptions we're making to assume this and that level of conviction. As much as I'm convinced that you're really who you are, and you [00:06:00] invited me to this podcast, was present in that experience where being appeared in front of me just like a person, straight up like a person, but it was, it looked like a weird frog lizard person.

But it, that being was so tangible this mic is for me. So at that point, even though I was very experienced with these things, I said, okay, hold on. Either this is a schizophrenic outbreak, which is possible, 

Speaker1: a hallucination, or, 

Speaker2: but this was way beyond, what was possible in my mind.

So that day I decided, I said, okay, first of all, I am not buying that this was in my head. And plus that being sh showed me how to do something on the guitar that I didn't know how to do. It was like, showed me how to You learned? Yeah. I did something. Exactly. And so he wasn't speaking, but he basically said, you don't know how to do this.

I'm giving you real information. I'm real. 

Speaker1: How was that transmitted to you, if not via [00:07:00] speaking? 

Speaker2: Oh he basically, the whole room vignette towards the guitar, almost like the whole room was like, pay attention to the guitar. And then I went to the guitar and he came, he just disappeared and appeared right next to me.

And then he put his frog fingers like, like this on the, he's like this. And I followed as much as I could. 'cause, the attention span was a little outta whack. But I was like trying to do it. And I'm not a musician, I just had a guitar. 'cause I'm like practicing. So at first I thought, oh, he just wants to talk through music theory.

And I'm like, look, I, dude, I'm not, I'm, I will not understand anything you're gonna say. He's just, and I followed what he was doing and then I, and all of a sudden it was a chord, like it made sense. And then he's okay, now obviously he wasn't saying the okay now, but he's and then I do the next thing.

And all of a sudden. It makes sense. So it's it, there's a progression that makes sense. I think it did three or four chords. 'cause it was very difficult for me to follow. But they made sense in this way. And people always ask me, do you remember the chords? I'm like, I [00:08:00] don't. I'm not a musician.

It's not, it doesn't store itself in a brain in that way. But it was so jarring that at that moment I realized nothing will ever be the same. And I also decided, 

Speaker1: when was that? When was that roughly? 

Speaker2: It was like six or seven years ago. I wanna say maybe a little more, maybe eight. Okay. And then I, at that moment I decided, okay here's the thing.

If the, if this thing is real, so if this really happened in the way that it did, in the way that it appeared to me, then there must be answers beyond just somebody saying something. There has to be if something is real and information is flowing from one that thing to whatever else is real, then there has to be a way to discern that.

So the scientific method is that you always study the scene to understand things about the unseen. That's how science works in general. And I was like, okay, then how do we ask this question seriously? What must be true about that space? [00:09:00] If it is in fact real? And I started working from first principles, I said, okay, I know light is involved 'cause I can see it with my eyes.

If it's real, even if it's not always visible to us, then it has its own logic and it has its own some laws of physics by which it's operating, right? Otherwise, it's just like a soup of nonsense. It has some geometry. Must have, even if it's more than three dimensional, it must have some topology. It has to have some boundary.

'cause sometimes we see it, sometimes we don't. So I started making all of these assumptions and I asked from all my assumptions, what are the things I know for sure. So for example, I, the fact that light is involved in some form, I knew for sure 'cause I can see it and my eyes pick up light, right? So I started working from these assumptions and then it took years because I was trying all kinds of things.

I was, trying to ask them, so to speak. Okay, what is, can you show me something? Like how do I build a spaceship? Something I can show people that that, that are not there, there some evidence they can bring back some evidence. Exactly. [00:10:00] And it's not very forthcoming. I don't know if it's because they can't tell you or because it's just not a thing that can be done in the way that we think of it.

But there was not really anything that was very us like useful. So then eventually I said, okay, I'm, what I'm gonna do is I'm just gonna think about this and I'm gonna keep following the threat thread whenever it appears. I didn't let it consume my life. I just moved on with whatever I had to do.

I did it way more often. Actually for a year plus period, I was basically like doing it every single day, but it never really interrupted the natural flow of my life. I just kept doing everything the same. And then eventually I'm condensing a, an almost decade long story into a few moments. So this is why we're jumping a lot.

But I eventually I landed on this idea. Oh what started happening is that, and I don't necessarily wanna enter this because every time I mention this people, it just it's not as interesting as it sounds because this, I started experiencing a lot of synchronicities. But one thing I understood very [00:11:00] quickly about synchronicities when I started expressing it to people is that people don't care.

Because if you're not there and you're not really in that moment, and the thing happened exactly that way for you, it's not as impactful. So just take my word that just interesting hints start appearing for me in regular life without even not involving substances or anything. 

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